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>> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy all> along. Why would he demand that she take off> her mask if this were so? How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all wearingmasks? The twenty-something woman confirmed she and her partner Leonard are polyamorous. >>>>>>>>>If this were really the> case, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to the> masked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Harry writes: (seen on google)>> >>> 1. so drugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense >> >>> of>>> anything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligible >> mumbling),<<<>, >> No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare >> kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" So is Ziegler lying? [Some irrelevant pseudo-Buddhist gibberish snipped]. In contrast to the Ziegler-Bill poolroom scene clearing up allambiguities (Ziegler's seeming 'commonsensical' and desublimating'explanation' of the Somerton ritual), as many have complained in thepast, this scene instead multiplies and amplifies the uncertainties.Ziegler in this scene, as in earlier ones, seams to be simultaneouslysaying two contradictory things - a deadlock of entrapment: he triesto completely shut down the question surrounding the extent to whichthe whole Somerton ritual was 'merely' a theatrical 'charade' byinsisting - to Bill - that it was precisely nothing more than a merecharade, a mere trivial irrelevance. In a buddhist sutra, Sakyamuni, criticized the compulsive mental masturbators and referred to them as people "counting ganges sands." >on the balcony looking down> at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to him. <<<<<<<<, > In the spur of the moment people might first recognize voices, > subliminally. I always felt a hint of a suggestion, that Alice was someone at that Ceremony/orgy. But which'party' is Bill referring to? This is still a mystery. Crumb Eye. The film centers on a profoundly unsatisfied couple tied together not by pure love, but by social convenience and appearances. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AzOnnrAlE8, http://www.celebsvideoarchive.com/videos/Julienne%20Davis/index.html, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvNO0BfBecc. While Polanski is the master ofparanoia, The Ninth Gate had too many things wrong with it. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > The poolroom scene is an amazing piece of extreme understatement, while at. I never said Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when > we study it. ">> "I saw her body in the morgue. But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the eventsat Somerton as a 'party.'<<<<<<<. while walking down one of the NY streets, the background glowsbeautifucally. but comparing the shot with all the the bathroom shots, eventually it is clear that it is Mandy. He may literally have to go underground, or to the moon, etc. So maybe they were all wearing walkie talkies under those masks, what do you want me to say..no, this IS left as a huge mystery. WebBrowse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a community of small business-owners. Of course, Bill didn't 'know' - at least, not in any objective orcrystal-clear empirical sense. These ceremonies must have been a big customenr for his former patient. It's not like he is going to voice all his thoughts. ", and for those whom may have something like an actual interest in, > In rec.arts.movies.past-films Kelpzoidzl <. It was in the trailer or a TV spot. WebBrowse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask women and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a community of small business-owners. I think the voice would have rung a bell and > the Newspaper story rang a bell, with the name Amanda, and of course > seeing the corpse of someone who may have sacrificed her life for him--so > he was in shock. You saw > her volunteer to sacrifice herself so the orgy managers would let Doctor > Cruise go free.>> If the woman in the mask had been the same woman as Mandy, you would have > expected some recognition of that from Doctor Cruise. WebChords for Backward Priests, normal version of Masked Ball Eyes wide shut with lyrics. I mean hewas filmed only in england, but the photography behind him in thatglove clapping shot is projected or whatever and so that means that hedidn't care that mucha bout switching things around like actresses andstuff, it's about masks anyway the movie is. Wasn't the woman in the mask a lot skinnier than the ODd woman?? I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you mean, but the way you're saying it is silly. 0. That is what she was" implying that her death> is of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Ziegler> chooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by the> Zieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by his> desire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house> ("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" But I agree the way it is done is brilliant and it leaves all of us unsure of everything, opening up infinite possibilites as to what it all means. In a > case like that a pwerson would go through the various possibilities in his > mind, but he was kinda busy. The rhizomatic uncertainties anduncanny inconsistencies multiply And it is not immediately clearwhether Bill connects this Amanda to the masked woman at Somerton orto the overdosed Mandy in Ziegler's bathroom. Does anyone else sense the inspiration of the mask designs from the film Eyes Wide Shut? The rhizomatic uncertainties and> > uncanny inconsistencies multiply >> "Rhizomatic uncertainties"?>> I actually had to look that up. (Just like we dream alone, even if we're in bed with someone else.). For instance,it's fairly obvious from the start who the Mysterious Woman is. The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. reinforced bythe simple observation that you have never actually posted here before[at least under your supplied handle/ID]. I think this feeling of guilt and outrage at a murder, would be the first thing on his mind. >>Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to >>see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come >>together.>, > These last points I've already covered>. at the> ceremony/orgy. Can it really compete with Rupert? He stares down at her but that'sit, and Kubrick tryied in vain to tlel his stories visually so itshould be considerd from a visual perspective. Even had Alice found it in the cadenza, would > she have recognized it as meaningful and taken it?>> Even though much was 'cleared" up there are still major mysteries here. > But I agree the way it is done is brilliant and it leaves all of us unsure > of everything, opening up infinite possibilites as to what it all means. >Even in the morgue he still might not have> been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the> body. Given that you have, as you already admitted, absolutely nounderstanding of the terms used or indeed the context in which theywere used, your pedantry is now exposed as pure and contemptiblefraudulence. In Eyes Wide Shut, Abigail Good plays a `Mysterious Woman'. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, ME> You can identify Pollack's eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups.>. >>In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is)>, > So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figure> on the basis of his eyes?<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is simple. Eyes Wide Shut is Stanley Kubrick's final movie starring Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman, but what does the mask on the pillow near the end mean? for the morgue scene but it is still meant to be the same Mandy. The main point, was that that kind of mental approach to things, is actually the biggest impediment to focusing the mind. People and Masks: The Meaning of Eyes Wide Shut. Many of the nude women begin pairing up with the fully-clothed men, and the orgy begins in nearly full view. It seems evident that Kubrick carefully selected the Rothschild-owned location and hand-picked the masks worn by participants of the ritual, echoing real-life families and events. > it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." How doesshe know this? Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curransuffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make aconnection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafethat set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier servedas Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. If this were really thecase, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to themasked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" Web .
1925 . That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). > Even Sk was not perfect in that way-----or was hethere is another > mystery. >Apparently word of Bill's> entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" If it'ssupposed to be obvious, then why is it treated as such a great revelation,and why is a character who is presented as being reasonably intelligentso dense as not to see it? EWS was potential. > Well thats all true, but of course that was SK making a masterpiece and > one of the most amazing films ever made IMO. S he was the same woman who overdosed at Victor Ziegler's party earlier in the movie. Much of what we have seen is Bill's non-verbal reactions to all this, which is full of shock and bewilderment. He had no reason to think Zeigler was at Somerton, > till Zeigler tells him. I agree though, he hadnt made a defintiive connection yet. If those 2-3 women were supposed to be the same woman, Kubrick would, I thought this film was much less interesting than the competing film, In rec.arts.movies.past-films Kelpzoidzl <, In rec.arts.movies.past-films Harry Bailey <, On Feb 26, 3:27pm, "Avoid normal situations. Before warning him, the It would be odd for him to say, "orgy," or ritual, > etc. 20 years ago today, the final masterpiece from the late, great Stanley Kubrick arrived in theaters. If he wereZiegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privatelycommunicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly aspossible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Zieglersubsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like acomplete fool')? Deleuze probably realized how stupid he was before he jumped out that window. So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figureon the basis of his eyes? What a mish mash of mental masturbation that is.. Psycho-semi-freudian-lacanisn-junkie-marxist babbling. People were dancing, there was music wearing costumes, and although it was strange, calling it a "party," would not be unusual in the slightest. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Again, is this not another case of'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simplybecause of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member ofthe power elite? The lower part is made of paper-mache, while the upper one Now that's out of the way, a brief introduction. Please either stop orshape up. He treated her as a not-very-important> patient; no Mandys attend Bill's upmarket surgery.>, Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast.>, > How? Well at least you're ostensibly modest enough to acknowledge yourunfamiliarity with such a concept, but then you proceed to betray yourdumb, sniggering agenda by perpetuating your ignorance with adismissive, anti-intellectual fart: > My extra-fat dictionary yields the> following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,> ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots from> from its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface.". 2. There's like a billion posts here at alt.movies.kubrick and you cansearch the archives for this information. Bill in that scene was simply behaving as a (not very) professionaldoctor; and he seemed just as concerned about Ziegler's anxiety thanabout Mandy's actual wellbeing. As 1999 approached, what little was known about Eyes Wide Shut was almost indecently tantalising. In a case like that a pwerson would go through the various possibilities in his mind, but he was kinda busy. because Bill didn't get to see him up close like the film audience. He only ultimately acceptsZiegler's account because itgives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerfulposition - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing tothe demands and realities of Ziegler's world). Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow our mind. WebEyes Wide Shut (1999) Abigail Good: Mysterious Woman, Masked Party Principal Showing all 3 items Jump to: Quotes (3) Quotes Mysterious Woman : Stop! Put on some headphones and listen. Plus there is *no* *way* that a rare bookdealer would smoke anywhere near a book of which there are only threecopies in existence. And the redeemer's pubic hair is also trimmed the same. Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually knowabout Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask <<<<<<<<<<<<. Is that how youwould describe it? -- Steven L.Email: [email protected], http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB6g66OYoKI, "Steven L." wrote in message. I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any way. He didn't recognise her voice. Somerton could hardly be >>>>>> described (andcertainly not by Bill) as a 'party.'<<<<<<<<<<<. >>>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone accept> anything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman> (or women) as "a hooker. :>released around the same time, The Ninth Gate. Superman movies must keep him in the pre 80s, or he needsto do some serious upgrading. > So if instead, he replayed Alice's voice (or Ziegler's voice) this> would 'prove' that the body was that of Alice (or Ziegler)? It is only when Ziegler responds> positively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman in> the morgue?" and> pleading with her to take off her mask? "The ng will die when there are no longer any participants. >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? You saw her volunteer to sacrifice herself so the orgy managers would let Doctor Cruise go free. 0. Masks - both literal and figurative - are a major motif, and one of the most important sequences is when Bill infiltrates a masked sex party at a remote mansion, which is being held by members of high society. > not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using > them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns > Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. What a mish mash of mentalmasturbation that is..", " Psycho-semi-freudian-lacanisn-junkie-marxist babbling. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. The genre of Stanley Kubricks last film, based on the well-known story of the Austrian A. Schnitzler, The Novel of Dreams (1925-1926), can be interpreted in different ways. But what he was getting at was whether it was > murder and a sacrifice for him, which makes him feel responsible, since it > would not have happened had he not been there. > But the credits have Abigail Good as> "mysterious woman" and Julienne Davis as Mandy. <<<<<<<<<<. Congratulations. Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice? What else could he call it? Well thats all true, but of course that was SK making a masterpiece and one of the most amazing films ever made IMO. Again, is this not another case of'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simplybecause of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member ofthe power elite? Orgy? Let's get out of here.You're my witness. >>>>>>>>If this were really thecase, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to themasked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" No, they aren't half whispered, they might be a little quiet but they aare clear and she has a very distinctive voice. It's profoundly, structurally, indeterminate >>> 1. so drugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense ofanything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligiblemumbling),<<<. Next: The Shining: Why Stanley Kubrick Changed Stephen King's Story. No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" He only ultimately accepts Ziegler's account because it> gives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerful> position - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing to> the demands and realities of Ziegler's world). Those critics of EWS must have > been delerious. What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning theidentities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps anddeadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just likeZiegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' ofevents. When Bill goes to the hospital, he asks to see patient Amanda Curren (sp), the name he saw in the newspaper. >What else could> he call it? 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1925 . That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). > Even Sk was not perfect in that way-----or was hethere is another > mystery. >Apparently word of Bill's> entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" If it'ssupposed to be obvious, then why is it treated as such a great revelation,and why is a character who is presented as being reasonably intelligentso dense as not to see it? EWS was potential. > Well thats all true, but of course that was SK making a masterpiece and > one of the most amazing films ever made IMO. S he was the same woman who overdosed at Victor Ziegler's party earlier in the movie. Much of what we have seen is Bill's non-verbal reactions to all this, which is full of shock and bewilderment. He had no reason to think Zeigler was at Somerton, > till Zeigler tells him. I agree though, he hadnt made a defintiive connection yet. If those 2-3 women were supposed to be the same woman, Kubrick would, I thought this film was much less interesting than the competing film, In rec.arts.movies.past-films Kelpzoidzl <, In rec.arts.movies.past-films Harry Bailey <, On Feb 26, 3:27pm, "Avoid normal situations. Before warning him, the It would be odd for him to say, "orgy," or ritual, > etc. 20 years ago today, the final masterpiece from the late, great Stanley Kubrick arrived in theaters. If he wereZiegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privatelycommunicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly aspossible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Zieglersubsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like acomplete fool')? Deleuze probably realized how stupid he was before he jumped out that window. So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figureon the basis of his eyes? What a mish mash of mental masturbation that is.. Psycho-semi-freudian-lacanisn-junkie-marxist babbling. People were dancing, there was music wearing costumes, and although it was strange, calling it a "party," would not be unusual in the slightest. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Again, is this not another case of'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simplybecause of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member ofthe power elite? The lower part is made of paper-mache, while the upper one Now that's out of the way, a brief introduction. Please either stop orshape up. He treated her as a not-very-important> patient; no Mandys attend Bill's upmarket surgery.>, Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast.>, > How? Well at least you're ostensibly modest enough to acknowledge yourunfamiliarity with such a concept, but then you proceed to betray yourdumb, sniggering agenda by perpetuating your ignorance with adismissive, anti-intellectual fart: > My extra-fat dictionary yields the> following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,> ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots from> from its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface.". 2. There's like a billion posts here at alt.movies.kubrick and you cansearch the archives for this information. Bill in that scene was simply behaving as a (not very) professionaldoctor; and he seemed just as concerned about Ziegler's anxiety thanabout Mandy's actual wellbeing. As 1999 approached, what little was known about Eyes Wide Shut was almost indecently tantalising. In a case like that a pwerson would go through the various possibilities in his mind, but he was kinda busy. because Bill didn't get to see him up close like the film audience. He only ultimately acceptsZiegler's account because itgives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerfulposition - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing tothe demands and realities of Ziegler's world). Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow our mind. WebEyes Wide Shut (1999) Abigail Good: Mysterious Woman, Masked Party Principal Showing all 3 items Jump to: Quotes (3) Quotes Mysterious Woman : Stop! Put on some headphones and listen. Plus there is *no* *way* that a rare bookdealer would smoke anywhere near a book of which there are only threecopies in existence. And the redeemer's pubic hair is also trimmed the same. Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually knowabout Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask <<<<<<<<<<<<. Is that how youwould describe it? -- Steven L.Email: [email protected], http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB6g66OYoKI, "Steven L."
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