Nonetheless, during several interviews over the past year, she reports being content. Just get out. Marguerite Oswald had a series of bizarre reactions to her sons transgression, forever making her a famous mother to history. The wall build around Oswald's family women was intense after Dallas. daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald spoke on her feeling. She said she understood English better than she was able to speak the language. Marina Oswald spent hours before the Warren Commission in early 1964. Marina and Lee Oswald had two I just remember crying a lot because Mom was crying. Oswald has indicated a desire to continue her education and mastery of the language is a necessary preliminary to such study. She would be one of 28,000 students on campus. A review of Bakers book said Baker and Oswald were attempting to create a cocktail of toxins that would infect Castro with cancer while they worked at cover jobs at the Reily Coffee Company in New Orleans. It would seem a perfect fit for Oswald. If they could prove somehow that he was innocent, he'd still not be a hero, he'd be a martyr. I know some people can remember vividly like it was yesterday, but I don't do that -- even about yesterday. A: I do. ", I said I appreciate it, but I really don't get involved in that. Then I find out he's been doing some quote-unquote assassination research. We lived in poor housing or were taken in by others. I've never seen her act like that, like she needed to become more of a crusader, and it's taking its toll. Just get out. One would think they would be more anxious to try to, clear his name. She has always felt really bogged down by it. If she were in contact with my children nowI do not want her to cripple them.". Not so with Oswald. My boyfriend would sneak down to Priscilla's basement and read all her old files. This struck a chord with someone in the congregation who believed the church could help Lee Harvey Oswalds widow through education, assimilation and the English Language Institute. They lived their lives as best as possible. Under the shadow of the stigma. That Lee Harvey Oswald killed Officer Tippit and President Kennedy! Mar Baker said the city of New Orleans, where Oswald was born, was central to their relationship. He sold an article for an astronomical amount back then -- I think it was $25,000. Although Baker was not in Dealey Plaza when Kennedy was shot, she said she spoke with Oswald 37 hours before. Porter still lives with her second husband Kenneth, however in private, and is afraid to go out in public. When money ran low, she sold a letter or document connected to Oswald or an article of his clothing. Lee and Marina Oswald's daughter wants to completely understand what was done to her father and why, perhaps as much or more than the the rest of the world if you believe what she says for herself. What if, she proposed, the church brought Mrs. Oswald to study English at the University of Michigan? She had been in the United States all of 17 My father is Kenneth Porter, the man I grew up with, the man who was there for my mother and Rachel and me.Q: And if someone were to show scientifically that Lee Oswald was or wasn't involved, that wouldn't make a difference to you?A: It would make a difference in the sense of justice being served. If they could prove somehow that he was innocent, he'd still not be a hero, he'd be a martyr. I don't think that's true. Are we going to vilify and harass her for what her husband was accused of doing? She kept herself together for us. A: Not until recently. Somehow those boxes came down and she was reading, and I guess she felt it was time to tell us. But I don't remember that. If you are willing to consider me to become your companion, I shall give you my best to make you happy and pull you out of the morass of bitterness, came an offer from Bangalore. A good person. Q: Did you see the "Seinfeld" episode in which they're at the ballpark, and they get spat upon, and-. I have to admit that when I heard that he used to play with me all the time, that was a nice feeling. Given everything above, you'd probably expect his return to be announced by dozens of men in dark glasses bundling him out the airport and into a mobile interrogation chamber. I would have liked for him to have his day in court.Q: Where do you stand today as far as your perception of what really happened out there in Dealey Plaza?A: I've never publicly said one way or the other for sure. Accused Assassin of President John F. Kennedy. The first of its kind in the country, the ELI was established to provide instruction and support for international students who speak English as a second language. Moreover, Porter learned English and in 1989, she became a naturalized citizen of the United States. A: Part of it was the big anniversary, the 30th. He wasn't much of a husband, he wasn't much of a father. There were times when we didn't have milk to drink. And she said: "I'm so-and-so, and I just want you to know that I've written a song about you -- and your child. "I do not think that she is a very sound thinking woman, and I think that part of the guilt is hers," she told the Warren Commission. I don't blame him for not being here for me. So I ended up supporting him. To preserve these articles as they originally appeared, The Times does not alter, edit or update them. Anyone can read what you share. Because some people have called me and said, "I knew your father and he really loved you." Just in recent years; but yes. MORE THAN 30 YEARS AFTER the Kennedy assassination, Lee Harvey Oswald is a name that will not go away. I said in effect to each person who criticized, The one thing you havent shown us is that what we have done is unlike Christ., Sources: English Language Institute records; First Presbyterian Church (Ann Arbor) records; and Harlan Henthorne Hatcher Papers, all at the Bentley Historical Library; A history, the First Presbyterian Church of Ann Arbor, Michigan, 1826-1988: incorporating A sesquicentennial history 1976, newly revised and updated, editors Lila Miller, Robert M. Warner, Carl R. Geider; Warren Commission Report and Hearings; Follow Me, by Ernest T. Campbell. He tracked me down. She mentioned that newspapers have never covered her story. There were hysterics. I felt they manipulated her and made her look foolish. By found it I meant that I was looking back through the forum pages and this was posted first in 2004 so I decided to bring it back up to peoples attention. Flash forward to June 1962, and Oswald was back in the States, this time with a Soviet wife and newborn daughter. WebLEE HARVEY OSWALD AUTOPSY & EXHUMATION PHOTOS THE REAPER FILES 218K subscribers 294K views 7 years ago This is the autopsy photos, casket photos & 1981 She should send James Files a letter. ", John Pic, Lees half-brother, took a particularly cynical view toward his mother's behavior after the assassination. ", With several months to reflect after the President's assassination and her husband's death, Marina's views had hardened. As for what his exact role in the assassination was -- well, he'll have to be judged for that before God. And I realize that I'm kind of cold about it, so how do I tell them? Q: Do you and Rachel argue much about this? She didn't feel like Kenneth was her dad. Judyth Vary Baker, the lover of Lee Harvey Oswald, gave her perspective on the medias treatment of Oswald since his death to a group of professors and community members at Loyola University on Saturday in New Orleans. So I said, O.K., this is it. Rachel loved listening to that. So if I'm able to be detached or seem cold and unemotional about it, it's because I look at Lee in those terms.Q: I assume you've seen the footage of Lee being shot by Jack Ruby. Well, I was satisfied with my dad, so I've never felt this big need to connect with Lee or do the daughter-father thing.Q: One can't help but notice that you address him as "Lee. ___________________________________________, Reminds me of Elvis Costello's song "Watching The Detectives.". The couple later married on April 30, 1961. It was one of many strange, discordant reactions that led many to question her sanity in the days and years aheadand to find the likely source of many of her sons problems. My secretary in my last job put two and two together based on one of those articles. So I sat across the hall in a time-out room. But you have to understand that, aside from what role he had in the assassination, there's the issue of what role he had in our family. Oct. 19, 2013 at Loyola University in New Orleans. It's not a matter of being ashamed, it's a matter of wanting to be judged as June Oswald and not "the daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald.". But I still have problems in that area, because I date a lot. And she said, "June Oswald?" WebMarina Nikolayevna Oswald had two daughters, a 21-month-old toddler and an infant born just five weeks before the assassination. I usually end up telling people that I'm seeing very often. Yet the CIA never questioned him. I have to remind Rachel that this is the man who beat our mother, who didn't provide for his children. But both reneged after learning that the funeral would be outside by the grave rather than in a chapel, fearing the potential threat of snipers. The Presidents were all around the walls in the rooms. Now and then, she would receive calls from television or newspaper reporters seeking to interview the mother of the assassin, the self-described "mother in history." "She never knew when we'd run into someone, and she didn't want us to look like poor white trash," June says simply. In 1980 she was convinced by conspiracy buffs that the one in Harveys grave was a Russian spy and not Oswald. From The New York Times Magazine April 30, 1995. Are they going to take after some ancestor we don't even know? I can't imagine the burden they've carried over the years, but I hope they have found some peace in their lives. Mom was always overprotective of us. [quote name='John Geraghty' date='May 13 2006, 02:49 PM' post='62308'], Dixie, thanx for the interview. In a February 26 ceremony in Rackham Assembly Hall, Oswald received an engraved U-M certificate alongside her classmates. Or are we going to provide help simply because here is a human being in trouble who desperately needs help?. But you know, just because you're hanging out with a weird group -- they could have set him up, and he could have had no idea what was going on that day.Q: Did you ever take the so-called assassination tour?A: Not until recently. A: Yes and no. As a single woman in the Soviet Union, Marina Oswald had studied at a technical pharmacy school in Leningrad. WebLee Harvey Oswalds youngest daughter, Rachel, was only one month old in 1963 when her father allegedly killed President Kennedy, and was shot to death himself. It was her meetings with the Warren Commission, as well interviews with the FBI, that prevented Oswald from coming to Ann Arbor in 1964. Oswald's girlfriend offers variation on JFK assassination. Moreover, she lived there with her mother and stepfather until 1957. For years, the widow of Lee Harvey Oswald has avoided cameras while she tries to live a quiet life in Rockwall, northeast of Dallas. But earlier th He shared what it was like for First Presbyterian to have been in the spotlight helping Oswald and of the letters that arrived on his desk. I went on a car trip up to the house I had lived in with Lee, Lee's boarding house, another house Mom had lived in with Lee that's still standing, the path of the motorcade, where the bullets hit. Then I find out he's been doing some quote-unquote assassination research. I had a conversation like that with her in about 88. 1.65 m). A: I remember what I did during that time-out was, I plotted how I could run for class president and win! A: No. We were studying the Presidents. She is convinced that her phones are tapped by the Secret Service and the Secret Service wants to kill her. Reporters came over and she would tell us, "Shhhh, go in the other room.". The Michigan Daily made no mention of her presence (We just dont think shes news, the editor said). Marina Oswald with children June and Rachel. "I am the strongest person in this tragedy because I have lost everything," she told one journalist who came knocking a decade after the assassination. In 1965, Marina Oswald [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marina_Oswald_Porter ] got remarried to Kenneth Jess Porter, an electrician who was a neighb (Other than Russian, I dont know any other language, she testified. I'm a strong woman, but I don't know if I could've kept myself together. And then, they tell a story about how after that I stood up in front of the whole class and said, "My father shot the President." Oswald worked sporadically at different jobs, such as a sheet-metal worker and a photoprint trainee. In addition to attending classes, Oswald made several trips to Detroit, including to a Detroit Pistons game. It made no mention of his brothers infamous place in history. That catches you off guard when you just wake up. She was born on July 17, 1941, in Severodvinsk, Russian SFSR, Soviet Union. Six weeks The other thing is, you just worry genealogically: Lee was illegitimate, and so was my mother. Baker, who said she was a trained nurse, referred to the plot as a cancer research project. He tracked me down. She looks just like her father, with her mother's eyes. It's a little bit like opening a family album you didn't know existed before. But earlier this month, the Daily Mirror, the I didn't really want to be the center of gossip in this whole building. Lee loved New Orleans.. Another car pulls up - and that's the parents and the little boy. Well, there's a travel guide she found out about that actually listed the Texas Chili Parlor and said the daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald worked there. Images of John F. Kennedys assassination hold a permanent place in the American consciousness. What do I tell them? A: It was unusual. By the early 60s it was enrolling hundreds of students a year for intensive courses in vocabulary, composition, and grammar. And then she was gone. The minister, the Rev. Together, they would learn and study five hours every weekday for eight weeks. He said things when we were together like he really wanted to have children because "that would be the blood of Lee Harvey Oswald that was flowing through the kids.". Well, that's what Rachel wants to believe. The first car was The National Enquirer. Got a question? She was pretty strong. By then, he had moved on from Ann Arbor to the pulpit of Riverside Church in New York City. But anonymity exacted a curious price of its own, as June faced myriad graceless references to her father, mother and family. He was 99. Both interviews I found in the JFK collection at the Dallas Public Library last November. This is material I never would have known about insofar as my mother's side of the family, because my mother was illegitimate, you know. Very interesting. After a quick, makeshift service, Marguerite barely missed a beat before stepping up to a television camera: "Lee Harvey Oswald, my son, even after his death, has done more for his country than any other living human being.". A: Something had come up where Mom had old boxes of letters out. Wish there were more, by the family of Lee. 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During college, Rachel supported herself at the Texas Chili Parlor in Austin. There was a bill passed at the end of the Bush Administration that required all Government agencies to review their files for any information related to the assassination and to release it -- unless they felt there were matters of national security or a couple of other issues. There were times when we didn't have milk to drink. I can tell you that I am very excited about the book in concept. There are a lot of assassination buffs who have analyzed all the technical data and the other available material and even they don't agree about what happened.Q: But are you comfortable with the fact that Lee Oswald played at least some role?A: I think there definitely is circumstantial evidence that could imply he had something to do with it because of the characters he was hanging out with in New Orleans. But anonymity exacted a curious price of its own, as June faced myriad graceless references to her father, mother and family. And they got my mother on television in a live interview - she still doesn't have a good grasp of the language - and they were asking her specific questions about this book. Why are 40+ guests suddenly reading this very old thread, as well as a smaller but still significant number reading an old thread on Marina? A: I don't have a comment on it as far as its conclusions because I haven't read them, but I did start the book. I'm convinced that your mother and Priscilla had a sexual relationship." I want to make sure they understand why I'm so matter-of-fact about it. WebMarina Nikolayevna Oswald had two daughters, a 21-month-old toddler and an infant born just five weeks before the assassination. Oh great!" She wanted to know Lee; she wants Lee to be a saint. "I have nothing and I survive. Q: Your childhood doesn't sound like it was easy. A few months later the young family moved back to the United States. It sounds as if most people are not aware you're Lee Oswald's daughter.A: Yes and no. Click "Submit" to let the Reveille's student journalists know. I tell her, "Rachel, for all we know, we could have been living in the streets." She however remarried two years after Oswalds murder. She came to New Orleans to give the discussion and promote her book, Me and Lee: How I Came to Know, Love and Lose Lee Harvey Oswald. Audience members received a book with their ticket purchase, and Baker signed copies throughout the day. Your Privacy Rights When the Session convened within a week of Oswalds arrival, half its members upset and embarrassed about being left in the dark were angry to the point of wanting to reprimand the church leadership. they went on with their lives as the girls hardly knew their father and are not bothered by others On November 25, 1963, the nations gaze was transfixed by the horse-drawn caisson and final burial of President John F. Kennedy. Before the year came to a close, the churchs leaders would invite Oswald to Ann Arbor and offer to host her while she studied at U-M. Audrey Marina Rachel Oswald is the second daughter of Porter and her first husband Lee Harvey Oswald. "That is the only thingI don't really believe she really believes he is innocent. Somehow those boxes came down and she was reading, and I guess she felt it was time to tell us. Oswald was born in New Orleans, Louisiana, on October 18, 1939 to Robert Edward Lee Oswald, Sr. (18961939) and Marguerite Frances Claverie (19071981). Robert Oswald died of a heart attack two months before Lee was born. But see, I'm matter-of-fact about a lot in my life. Lee Harvey Oswald's youngest daughter, Rachel, was only one month old in 1963 when her father allegedly killed president Kennedy. (June has requested that her married name, which she still uses in business, not be printed. TimesMachine is an exclusive benefit for home delivery and digital subscribers. WebIn the show Quantum Leap (1989), there was an episode titled "Lee Harvey Oswald,", which was a 2-hour episode, and showed main character Sam Beckett (Scott Bakula) leaping into Oswald's life at various points of significance between 1957 and 1963, beginning in 1963 in Oswald's yard, where Marina is taking the famous photograph of Marina Oswald was left a widow with two young daughters after her husband was killed by Jack Ruby. This was before wiretapping got more sophisticated. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. During her talk, Baker criticized newspaper reports that she said inaccurately portrayed Oswald as a mentally unstable communist. I do blame him for having beat my mother, and not being a good father -- or a good provider. So I called my staff in, a group of 10 or so, and I said: "Yes, that is me in the article. (1963 - 2013) Photos: 50. She was one of the most well-known women in the country but at the same time had become what one newspaper called the forgotten woman., What is America going to do about it? wrote editors of The Deseret News. She managed to evade the media upon arriving (She slipped into our community at night by train while a battery of reporters were waiting hawkishly at the airport, Campbell said), but photographers were waiting when she stepped onto campus the morning of January 5 for ELI orientation. The churchgoer turned to her minister at Ann Arbors First Presbyterian Church. Raised by her stepfather, Rachel Oswald Porter didnt know who her birth father was as a young child. Now, Mom does articles that she doesn't bother to tell me she's doing, and sometimes my name comes up. Oswald. I have a copy of an earlier interview with June from 1983. Oct. 19, 2013 at Loyola University in New Orleans. WebAudrey Marina Rachel. Several days after the funeral, Texas radio and TV reporter Bob Huffaker arranged a phone interview with her. Now, the word father does mean Lee to me. Her combative attitude never wavered. Oswald was among 30 students in her English Language Institute course. Earlier in the week, Baker toured sites in New Orleans significant to her relationship with Oswald, such as the former offices of Reily Coffee Company and Oswald and Bakers rendezvous locations. She was pretty strong. Despite his involvement with the Fair Play for Cuba Committee and other communist - sympathizing groups, Baker insisted Oswald had always remained loyal to theUnited States. We regard Mrs. Oswald as a typical institute student, said ELI Director John C. Catford when her enrollment was announced. Bentley Historical Library, Vice President for Development records. Q: How did you feel about being singled out? Because that's mostly what I think of when I think of Lee. My husband couldn't have cared less. There was a problem saving your notification. I started worrying about, first of all, do I have a responsibility to tell them? And they say: "Oh, we can take pictures? Born in New Orleans, Louisiana, the son of Robert Edward Lee Oswald and Marguerite A: I would make a difference in the sense of justice being served. I know you were just a toddler, but do you have any recollections of turbulence in the household?A: I don't have any real memories of those ages. Returned to the United States The Oswald family settled in Fort Worth, Texas. Q: On your relationship with her as well? Because that's mostly what I think of when I think of Lee. She remains protective of her privacy, distancing herself and her sons, ages 6 and 3, from the overall clique of assassination cultists who have dogged the Oswald women - Marina, now 53, June, and Rachel, 31 - ever since the events of Nov. 22, 1963. See the article in its original context from. 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